Intercooler Nonsense

[ULYCYC]

I have seen a few threads about "best intercoolers" on the other boards lately and some new bullsh!t testing of them. It reminds me of the old Kenne-Bell catalog claims. Don't believe the hype that some misdirected "Kings of comedy" are trying to push through the Buick community. Jack Cotton is a great vendor and sells good products. His intercooler has lived up to it's claims regardless of what the peanut gallery says. Yes, there may be other intercoolers that may be equal or better but using unscientific controlled methods of testing and a cast of clowns in charge is a big fuking joke. Let the flame war begin

[Steve Wood]

Yeah, that is an interesting thread. There is a lot more "AGENDA" being posted than hard technical facts.

Beyond the so called facts being posted, it should be noted that what is good for a low 8 second car may actually slow down a ten second ride.

Intercoolers are a very complex subject and it goes far beyond what kind of core is being used, or how big it is.

[ttypewe4jim]

Originally Posted by ULYCYC

I have seen a few threads about "best intercoolers" on the other boards lately and some new bullsh!t testing of them. It reminds me of the old Kenne-Bell catalog claims. Don't believe the hype that some misdirected "Kings of comedy" are trying to push through the Buick community. Jack Cotton is a great vendor and sells good products. His intercooler has lived up to it's claims regardless of what the peanut gallery says. Yes, there may be other intercoolers that may be equal or better but using unscientific controlled methods of testing and a cast of clowns in charge is a big fuking joke. Let the flame war begin

All I have to say is Otto's old intercooler is in the trunk of the limited waiting to be installed (stupid rain) and at first I got worried about weather or not I should have bought it but now Ive come to the realization that there must be some sort of a hidden agenda against jack resonantly I mean why go threw a thread and bash a vendor like that it diffidently change my opinions about some people and made me think twice about my feelings about them. I mean how old are you to put "mat police" next to your avatar I mean come on but thats just my 2 cents

[JimRome]

Guys,

Go back and read the thread, all Otto was asking was how was SE intercooler.
Ya Jacks a good guy, Ya I got his I/C, Yes I'll run it, Do I care? Yes If my Temps are to high I'll sell it & Get one that will be better for me.

Jim,
You got a Great deal on that I/C.

IMO,
Theres No "AGENDA". You guys are not looking at it Correctly..

[ttypewe4jim]

Originally Posted by JimRome

Guys,

Go back and read the thread, all Otto was asking was how was SE intercooler.
Ya Jacks a good guy, Ya I got his I/C, Yes I'll run it, Do I care? Yes If my Temps are to high I'll sell it & Get one that will be better for me.

Jim,
You got a Great deal on that I/C.

IMO,
Theres No "AGENDA". You guys are not looking at it Correctly..

I know I got a great deal on the intercooler but if you read that thread IMO it looks like they are bashing at Jack which I do take offense to because he is the best vendor out there for the Buick's period. Do i care if its the best intercooler out there no not really I just want 10s on pump gas with my car I'm not making that kind of power BUT when you go into a thread and act the way Otto and Top Gun did I think its childest and retarded personally

[ULYCYC]

Originally Posted by JimRome

Guys,

Go back and read the thread, all Otto was asking was how was SE intercooler.
Ya Jacks a good guy, Ya I got his I/C, Yes I'll run it, Do I care? Yes If my Temps are to high I'll sell it & Get one that will be better for me.

Jim,
You got a Great deal on that I/C.

IMO,
Theres No "AGENDA". You guys are not looking at it Correctly..

If you believe that I'm having a special on the Brooklyn Bridge. I hope they used Vasilene when they inserted the temp probe

[JimRome]

well if it was so retarded, Otto & I went to Jacks shop @ Midnight to Get the Damthing........

[ULYCYC]

Originally Posted by JimRome

well if it was so retarded, Otto & I went to Jacks shop @ Midnight to Get the Damthing........

I'm talking about all the bogus testing going on not what's between you, Otto and Jack.

[Otto J]

I really dont care if you think there is an agenda,Im damn sure you and jack have spoke on the phone,this is why this thread started.If you actually read the WHOLE thread and the others youll see I never said he was a bad vendor,So i guess the agenda is against his intercooler,Which i find is a problem, I was told by Jack this is the last intercooler i would need.Now if i didnt run any faster than 10.70 or so,He was right,It was the last one i need.But i went faster and am going even faster next year,and it doesnt do the job.

Jack has even posted at this point his intercooler was good for 1000hp,He has stated he is working on a new intercooler for guys running faster.Why would he do that if the current one was good enough?Because its not for a 1000hp car.I was never told it was good for 1000hp,ust tha it was the last one i ever needed,And actual track testing in cold weather shows its below par on a low 10sec car.

When i sold Jim the intercooler, iAsked him what turbo he planned on running and how fast,He told me a te44 and he would like ot run high tens,Jacks intercooler with work fine on his application,If he told me he had plans to run faster than that i would not have sold it to him,As i do not sell people parts that wont help them go faster.

Keep racing the park ave ed,Im sure you can give us some super data on parts available for it.

Maybe i sure Start an agenda thread also,That people are against a person that post TRUE facts about a vendors product that is sub par for it use sold for.Next time you spend 1200 on a part for your car, and it doesnt work up to expectations, I would be glad to hear about it so i dont waste my money.

Ive spent well over $10,000 over the years with Jack and he always treated me right.So i can see how this is an agenda to hurt him.

[Otto J]

F.A.S.T systems abilty to measure air temps is pretty damn accurate,Not sure where the bogus testing come from.I have data log from numerous people who wont post that record their air temps in the up pipe and the upper manifold.These are actual facts Ed. Nothing is made up,I was in Vegas for 2 days of racing last week helping people,Also a BPG also.

Sorry you find my finding untrustworthy,But im sure has something to do with being brainwashed Massachusetts style.

[Grumpy]

why the hell don't all the know it all's build a new intercooler .... you are the experts right BUILD it and stop crying ...

[Ted A.]

Ed, you are not worth the time to respond to.



Others, we have done the best we could with the instruments we have to provide actual data and proof that the cooler is not getting the job done for us. If anybody cares to try and provide data to prove the cooler does actually perform well(compared to other known comparable coolers) to it's 1000 HP rating, which was never disclosed on his website and I just recently found that rating, untill then I was under the impression it was a good 8 second cooler then go for it.

I was sold this cooler to be put on a (hopefully) 8 second car. I reserve the right to be pissed off it is not all it should be. Just because it is Jack Cotton, does not give him the right to not be accountable for products he sells and not being truthfull that he WAS AWARE there were problems with his peice. Just because it is Jack Cotton does not mean that people should not be able to voice thier opinion and facts.

Believe what you want, we just chose to get this out in the open so all can read and decide what direction they choose to go, and FINALLY make somewhat a informed decision about what peice to buy, not based on reputation alone.

The end result of tests are the MAT temps going into the engine. There are numerous variables that do come into play. We looked at the end result, that is how it played out on our particular combos.

[Otto J]

Originally Posted by Grumpy

why the hell don't all the know it all's build a new intercooler .... you are the experts right BUILD it and stop crying ...

Dont worry we are,Testing is being done as we speak

They will not be made available to the public since there is no
need for us to need anything better than what is currently offered

[Ted A.]

Originally Posted by Grumpy

why the hell don't all the know it all's build a new intercooler .... you are the experts right BUILD it and stop crying ...

You are correct. It has already been done.

[ULYCYC]

Originally Posted by Otto J

I really dont care if you think there is an agenda,Im damn sure you and jack have spoke on the phone,this is why this thread started.If you actually read the WHOLE thread and the others youll see I never said he was a bad vendor,So i guess the agenda is against his intercooler,Which i find is a problem, I was told by Jack this is the last intercooler i would need.Now if i didnt run any faster than 10.70 or so,He was right,It was the last one i need.But i went faster and am going even faster next year,and it doesnt do the job.

Jack has even posted at this point his intercooler was good for 1000hp,He has stated he is working on a new intercooler for guys running faster.Why would he do that if the current one was good enough?Because its not for a 1000hp car.I was never told it was good for 1000hp,ust tha it was the last one i ever needed,And actual track testing in cold weather shows its below par on a low 10sec car.

When i sold Jim the intercooler, iAsked him what turbo he planned on running and how fast,He told me a te44 and he would like ot run high tens,Jacks intercooler with work fine on his application,If he told me he had plans to run faster than that i would not have sold it to him,As i do not sell people parts that wont help them go faster.

Keep racing the park ave ed,Im sure you can give us some super data on parts available for it.

Maybe i sure Start an agenda thread also,That people are against a person that post TRUE facts about a vendors product that is sub par for it use sold for.Next time you spend 1200 on a part for your car, and it doesnt work up to expectations, I would be glad to hear about it so i dont waste my money.

Ive spent well over $10,000 over the years with Jack and he always treated me right.So i can see how this is an agenda to hurt him.

Sorry Otto no conspiracy on this end. I have'nt spoke to Jack since Salem. I'm glad we can all agree that Jack is a great vendor so let's put that point to bed.
Yes, I read the whole thread and your being lead or part of the few that is giving out bogus testing on Jacks intercooler. People Like Bruce and a few others that can think for themselves shot holes in the testing theories your cronies provided. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't you go 9.20 0n his intercooler? You high Intercooler temps can be caused by many things. Putting a new intercooler in with a new motor will kinda kill your proof that Jack's is no good for you won't it?
My Park Ave runs fine and I still have the original crank too. My Turbo car should be ready for next season and I'm happy and with my high 10 sec street car with Air and 25mpg too.
Bottom line is this thread was geared to the testing methods and results not about your relationship with Jack. I can't wait to see the unbiased test results from Reynolds.